On this episode, we put election madness aside. If we want to win, first we need to learn how to fight.

To teach us how to fight, we invite on our first guest ever, Mariame Kaba, though most of you know her as @prisonculture on Twitter. If you’re not familiar with Mariame, she’s a brilliant organizer whose work focuses primarily on dismantling the prison industrial complex. She’s the founder of Project NIA, which is an advocacy group focused on ending youth incarceration. She’s also co-founded a number of other organizations including the Chicago Taskforce on Violence against Girls and Young Women, and We Charge Genocide.

We talk about an impressive list of wins compiled by Chicago activists like herself, including reparations for survivors of torture by Chicago Police, funding for a new trauma center in Southside Chicago, and the successful ouster of Anita Alvarez, the prosecutor who participated in a cover-up of the police murder of Laquan McDonald. Roqayah, Kumars, and Mariame also discuss the perceived tension between reform and revolution, as well as what it means to be a prison abolitionist in your daily life.

Roqayah and Kumars also take on the pundit class, mocking their nonsensical and contradicting positions on political violence in the wake of the egging of some proto-fascist Trump fans in San Jose.

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