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MENA Mashup: The Saudi Cables

Wikileaks has released the first tranche of The Saudi Cables which contain “more than half a million cables and other documents from the Saudi Foreign Ministry that contain secret communications from various Saudi Embassies around the world.”

Quite literally it’s nothing but ‘Checkbook Diplomacy’…!

For example…

Buying Silence: How the Saudi Foreign Ministry controls Arab media

On Monday, Saudi Arabia celebrated the beheading of its 100th prisoner this year. The story was nowhere to be seen on Arab media despite the story’s circulation on wire services. Even international media was relatively mute about this milestone compared to what it might have been if it had concerned a different country. How does a story like this go unnoticed?

Today’s release of the WikiLeaks “Saudi Cables” from the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs show how it’s done.

The oil-rich Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and its ruling family take a systematic approach to maintaining the country’s positive image on the international stage. Most world governments engage in PR campaigns to fend off criticism and build relations in influential places. Saudi Arabia controls its image by monitoring media and buying loyalties from Australia to Canada and everywhere in between.

Documents reveal the extensive efforts to monitor and co-opt Arab media, making sure to correct any deviations in regional coverage of Saudi Arabia and Saudi-related matters. Saudi Arabia’s strategy for co-opting Arab media takes two forms, corresponding to the “carrot and stick” approach, referred to in the documents as “neutralisation” and “containment”. The approach is customised depending on the market and the media in question. {…}

The documents show concerns within the Saudi administration over the social upheavals of 2011, which became known in the international media as the “Arab Spring”. The cables note with concern that after the fall of Mubarak, coverage of the upheavals in Egyptian media was “being driven by public opinion instead of driving public opinion”. The Ministry resolved “to give financial support to influential media institutions in Tunisia”, the birthplace of the “Arab Spring”.

The cables reveal that the government employs a different approach for its own domestic media. There, a wave of the Royal hand is all that is required to adjust the output of state-controlled media. A complaint from former Lebanese Prime Minister and Saudi citizen Saad Hariri concerning articles critical of him in the Saudi-owned Al-Hayat and Asharq Al-Awsat newspapers prompted a directive to “stop these type of articles” from the Foreign Ministry.

This is a general overview of the Saudi Foreign Ministry’s strategy in dealing with the media. WikiLeaks’ Saudi Cables contain numerous other examples that form an indictment of both the Kingdom and the state of the media globally.

Unable to read Arabic myself, I’d been anxiously awaiting some input and I’ve since found this excellent resource in Global Voices

Wikileaks to Publish 500,000 Leaked Documents the Saudi Government Doesn’t Want its Citizens to See

Wikileaks has started publishing more than half a million leaked documents from Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A total of 61,000 documents, in Arabic, are already online, creating a rich fodder of information on the secret correspondence behind the scenes in the Saudi corridors of power.

Saudis are however being warned from going anywhere near the leaked documents, sharing them or believing their contents. {…}

Understandably, the Saudi government is not pleased and has reached out to its citizens to ignore the cache, waving it off as the malicious work of “enemies of the nation.” In two separate tweets, the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs warns its citizens not to access the leaks.

It’s first tweet reads:

Dear Aware Citizen,
Don’t spread any documents that may be forged and which will help the enemies of the state achieve their goals

A follow up tweet, a few minutes later, elaborates:

Dear Aware Citizen,
Avoid accessing any websites with the aim of accessing documents or leaked information, which may be fabricated, with the goal of harming national security.

Although the tweets, which have been retweeted a few thousand times, fail to mention the Saudi Cables, netizens on Twitter were quick to pick the cue…

They then delve into the various countries…

Bahrain…

Saudi Cables Reveal How Saudi Arabia Saw Bahrain’s February 14 Uprising

It is no secret that the Saudi government has always shown full support for the Bahraini regime and sent the Peninsula Shield forces to crush the popular uprising in 2011.

Anti-government protests swept Bahrain’s streets on February 14, 2011, as protesters calling for democratic reforms and more freedoms. This movement irked the Bahraini government and its neighbor Saudi Arabia, who acted quickly and forcefully having learnt Arab Spring lessons from elsewhere in the region.

Some of the cables reveal how the Saudi government kept close tabs on international media coverage on Bahrain, monitoring media outlets which covered the protests and documenting all that was reported.

From the many tweets circulating on social media with photographs of different documents, this user tweeted a document that shows the Saudi government’s report on an article written by Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times on Shorouk News in 2012, in which he states the Bahraini government did not allow journalists and witnesses to observe the crackdown in Bahrain:

Some of the leaked documents from the Saudi Cables on WikiLeaks are the embassy’s and Saudi intelligence’s analysis of the revolution in Bahrain.

Another cable portrays the Shia community in Bahrain united against fragmented Sunni groups.

Saudi intelligence monitors the weakness and fragmentation of the Sunni forces versus Shiite forces in the events of Bahrain

The above document also states that officers and top officials not related to the Bahraini ruling family are complaining about having debts, not being appreciated and feeling that the government is willing to cut them loose in return for political gain.

It also mentions the Bahraini government’s attempt to slow down the internet was not successful because Shiite activists have other ways of communicating, while those that work with international organizations have phones provided for them.

The Saudi government document described visa procedures as very lenient, making it easy for Iranian, Iraqi and Lebanese nationals with foreign citizenships to obtain entry visas and offer help and guidance to the Shiite opposition. It called on the Bahraini government to tighten its grip on these procedures and close that loop hole.

Another document that also shows Saudi Arabia’s role in fueling the sectarian divide focuses on Bahrain’s leading Shia cleric Isa Qassim, also the spiritual leader of the Alwefaq National Islamic Society, the largest political bloc in Bahrain.

Saudi intelligence reports on the revolution of the Bahraini people and incites against Shaikh Isa Qassim.

The following telegram named “Assessing the situation in the host country” was issued by the Saudi Embassy in Manama. The analysis states there was a split within the Bahraini ruling family over how to deal with the escalation of Shiite-led protests on the first anniversary of the February 14 revolution.

The telegram described the security and political environment in the country as still very dangerous a year on from the outbreak of the February 14 events. The report says the Shiite opposition is dragging the situation out and buying time while dealing with government security measures.

The assessment also mentioned that there was pressure from Sunni government loyalists who complained about the soft approach taken in dealing with the Shiite street protests and not punishing those suspected of taking part in the “coup attempt”.

The Saudi government also sent a letter to the British Foreign Minister William Hague, and a duplicate letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, asking them to intervene in lifting the arms embargo on Bahrain, claiming the country is facing serious security challenges and violent acts supported by other regional forces.

Lebanon

#SaudiCables: What We’ve Learned So Far about Lebanon

…Among the many revelations leaked in the Cables are the implications of what Saudi Arabia’s money had done for both Lebanese politics and journalism. Indeed, according to cable ‘doc36598‘, Samir Geagea, the leader of the Lebanese Forces (LF), a Christian political party and part of the March 14 Alliance, sent a representative to request financial assistance from the Saudi government. Geagea is quoted as saying “I’m broke. I’m ready to do what the kingdom demands.” The request was done via a LF representative, Elie Abou Assi, who reported “difficulty of the financial situation of the party and to a certain extent have become unable to secure the salaries of employees in the party.”

Lebanese blogger Ramez Dagher of Moulahazat summarized it as such:

This cable is the diplomatic proof that Saudi Arabia helped the Lebanese Forces in their finances. In it, the Saudi foreign minister Saoud Al Faisal tells us that Samir Geagea’s man Elie Abou Assi met the Saudi ambassador and told him that the LF are struggling financially especially that they are countering two pro-Syrian foes (the Maronite patriarch and Aoun) and that Geagea is ready to travel to the KSA in order to solve the financial issues. The ambassador also said that the LF were ready to do as the Kingdom says. The wise Foreign minister also suggested that Sunni politicians be invited too (probably so that it doesn’t look fishy).

Another leak referred to Saudi Arabia’s policy of “Buying Silence“. As detailed in the report, “one of the ways ‘neutralisation’ and ‘containment’ are ensured is by purchasing hundreds or thousands of subscriptions in targeted publications. These publications are then expected to return the favour by becoming an “asset” in the Kingdom’s propaganda strategy. A document listing the subscriptions that needed renewal by 1 January, 2010, details a series of contributory sums meant for two dozen publications in Damascus, Abu Dhabi, Beirut, Kuwait, Amman and Nouakchott. The sums range from $500 to 9,750 Kuwaiti Dinars ($33,000). The Kingdom effectively buys reverse ‘shares’ in the media outlets, where the cash ‘dividends’ flow the opposite way, from the shareholder to the media outlet. In return Saudi Arabia gets political ‘dividends – an obliging press.’”

It is in this context that we discovered (doc83763) that the Saudi Government paid MTV, one of the main TV stations in Lebanon. MTV asked for $20 million but received $5 Million.

We also found out that another MP, Boutros Harb, requested money from Saudi Arabia in order to create a political party (doc32628).

Naturally, Iran features prominently in the Saudi Cables… Iran Features Heavily in the Latest WikiLeaks from Saudi Arabia

Pass the popcorn…! 😉

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  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    It’s always refreshing to know I was right, way back when…! 😉 Let Us Call Terror, Terror…

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Wtf…? You do realize neighboring Turkey has been a full-fledged NATO member since 1952, and, yes the Brits, French, ad nauseum, have had their grubby paws all over the MENA…! 8-(

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    At least the Persian women can drive, socialize, and vote, dubs…! 8-(

  • http://Smilejamaicakrcl.com Bobbylon

    As a complement to CTut’s story

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/06/saudi-cables-the-iran-kills-saudi-ambassador-in-dc-plot-was-a-us-saudi-conspiracy.html#comments

    Can I just say how disgusted I am with Barack Obama. His foreign policy has been every bit as feckless, craven, dishonest and EVIL as George W. Bush.

    Lie with rank impunity and always go for the war option.

    You won a focking Peace Prize. Either start acting like it means something or give it back to Sweden.

  • http://Smilejamaicakrcl.com Bobbylon

    We need a Top Ten Dumbest Comments post from you Dubinsky. This would be near the top. We support Al Qaeda in Syria. Give me a break.

    Syrian moderate
    Jumbo shrimp
    military intelligence
    compassionate conservative
    hope and change

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Another blast from the past… Getting Syria-ous…

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    No, instead they just lop the heads off ’em, dubs…! Get a grip…! 8-(

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle
  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Perhaps because the Israel/Turkey/and Saudi supported terrorists are exterminating minorities in Syria?

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    …but regimes are monstrous….

    Everybody’s, but our own, eh dubs…?

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle
  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Dayam the Dodgers are handing the Gmen an ass-whooping tonite, 8-1 in the 4th…!

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle
  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Shortest outing of Lincecum’s career too…!

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    In Nebraska?

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    *snort*

  • Pluto

    Reviewing the cables with interest. Been following this story since it was first buried in the NYT in February:

    Moussaoui Calls Saudi Princes Patrons of Al Qaeda

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/us/zacarias-moussaoui-calls-saudi-princes-patrons-of-al-qaeda.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

    ‘Saudi princes planned to down Air Force One with missile’: 9/11 terrorist gives damning testimony

    A former Al-Qaeda member has revealed a strong connection between the terrorist group and the Saudi Royal family in the 1990s. More notably, he alleges that Saudi princes and terrorists discussed a plan to shoot Air Force One out of the sky.

    The revelations came in the form of a testimony, delivered from a maximum-security prison, where Zacarias Moussaoui is incarcerated.

    According to the New York Times, Moussaoui submitted the claim on his own initiative. He sent a letter to the judge presiding over the lawsuit filed by family members of 9/11 victims against the government of Saudi Arabia.

    And so, for two days last October, lawyers were permitted for the first time to interview the terrorist at the federal prison – the most secure facility in the federal system, in Florence, Colorado. He gave a damning report that included very prominent members within the royal family, including three princes he says were all Al-Qaeda donors.

    The meeting discussing the plan to down Air Force One allegedly took place at the kingdom’s embassy in Washington DC.

    This and other meetings allegedly involved some of Saudi Arabia’s top princes and billionaires, including then-Prince Salman – brother to the late King Abdullah and now the King of Saudi Arabia. If Moussaoui’s testimony holds up, the view of Saudi involvement in attacking the United States and its alleged double-dealings could be changed profoundly.

    Apparently from 1998 to 1999, Moussaoui was tasked by the Afghan terrorist branch with creating a digital database of Al-Qaeda donors, including Prince Turki al-Faisal, the former chief of Saudi intelligence, as well as others, mostly billionaire businessmen and leading clerics.

    “Sheikh Osama wanted to keep a record” of the money flow, Moussaoui’s testimony says, adding that he acted as courier for Bin Laden himself.

    NY Times also recounts Moussaoui describing in detail the training he received in the camps, as well as a trial run of a 750-kg bomb that was to be used on the American embassy in London – and later the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

    But what would surely be a major blow for the US, Moussaoui also revealed plans to down the president’s Air Force One airplane with a Stinger missile. This was apparently discussed with the Islamic Affairs Department of the Saudi embassy.

    “I was supposed to go to Washington and go with [a visiting Saudi official]… in order to find a location where it would be suitable to launch a Stinger attack and then, after, be able to escape,”Moussaoui went on.

    His arrest allegedly came on the eve of that scouting trip.

    There were attempts in 2006 to present the terrorist as insane, due to some instances of erratic behavior, but that didn’t fly with the judge, despite a psychologist’s diagnosis. And so he was deemed fit to stand trial.

    In fact, “he has actually a better understanding of the legal system than some lawyers I’ve seen in court,” Judge Leonie M. Brinkema said at the time. She also called him “an extremely intelligent man” and said she was “fully satisfied” with his mental state.

    The Saudis Attempted to Block Zacarias Moussaoui’s Testimony in a Federal District Court.

    According to NY Times, on the same day, the Saudi embassy referred to how the September 11 commission flatly rejected the possibility of such a relationship, pointing to how “Moussaoui is a deranged criminal whose own lawyers presented evidence that he was mentally incompetent.” They were alluding to his earlier mental diagnosis.

    “My impression was that he was of completely sound mind — focused and thoughtful,” said a Philadelphia lawyer questioning him.

    It should be noted that allegations of ties between top Saudi businessmen, the political elite and Al-Qaeda are nothing new. They have been substantiated by evidence in the past. Bin Laden himself was the son of a Saudi construction magnate, and the money trail existed before the 2001 attacks.

    At the same time, it’s also known that the Saudi family had collaborated with the US as well to finance Islamic militants, many of whom ended up in what would later become Al-Qaeda. This was during the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

    This is not the most convenient time for Moussaoui’s allegations to surface. It has only been two weeks since the death of King Abdullah, succeeded by King Salman – his brother – who Moussaoui had also allegedly been involved with.

    President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry visited the kingdom recently, signaling the strong ties that exist between the two countries.

    This story has successfully been suppressed by the Anglo/US media.

    So far.

    Without doubt, the cables will reopen the 9/11 kabuki, which the families of the victims killed in the attack are trying to do.

    Thanks, Julian.

    (As far as I know, 9/11 was the most successful terrorist attack since Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Terrorist attacks that brought powerful nations to their ruin.)

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Aloha, Pluto…! 😉

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Not every nation or region becomes “civilized” at the same rate, dubs.

    The US is, I believe, the only OECD country still meting out death sentences.

    And this, not so far removed from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Lq_yasEgo

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    *ugh* 10-1 in the 5th…! Where’s the mercy rule…? 😉

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Your happy pebble sized brain cannot handle anything that contradicts Wolf Blitzer. I understand, dub.

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle
  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Oh, sorry.

    I meant Pax Americana’s own Paul Wolfowitz…

  • Chris Maukonen

    Why does this not surprise me one bit.

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    *heh* Eggs-actly, cmk…! 😉

    The Sauds are mighty quick to proffer the dinero, but, try and cash the cheque they’d promised ya…! 8-(

  • Chris Maukonen

    Not only are they dirt bags, they’re dead beat dirt bags as well.

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle
  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    You sure that she wasn’t referring to your brain’s passing through your urinary tract?

  • http://Smilejamaicakrcl.com Bobbylon

    I’m an Assyrian American. If not for Barack Obama my Iraqi brethren, Kurds, Yazidis, Druze, on and on and on would still be alive and not expunged from ancient homelands.

    Assads, like Saddam, spread the wealth. Co opted everyone. Only the Beards got no mercy.

    It was Proconsul Bremer who demanded Sunnis on the left, Shia on the right.

    Ask yourself why ISIS never attacks American or Israeli targets?
    Why might that be?

    If Obama is bankrolling Neo Nazis in Ukraine, why wouldn’t he be amenable to Islamic Fundamentalists in the Shia Triangle: Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Iran.

    Obama will lose Iraq to topple Syria. ISIS are our proxies. If you believe otherwise, you are just being a commentary propagandist to the hegemon.

    You have no credibility if you deny.

    This ain’t HuffPo. Or the Guardian

  • http://Smilejamaicakrcl.com Bobbylon

    What about-ery alert! Woop! Woop!

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    In retrospect, Col. Wilkerson had suspected the Izzies… Chemical weapon use in Syria ‘could have been an Israeli false flag operation’

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Ummm, maybe because Assad’s base has always been the minority, like the Alawites, the Ba’athists, Christians, Shi’a, and even the Sunni…! 8-(

  • sisterlauren

    And you are the fact checker all of a sudden? Don’t make me laugh.

  • sisterlauren

    If you want a list of his top 10 dumbest posts, it really should be his top 1000 dumbest posts in order to get an honest flavor of his real posting history. It is more or less a constant stream of stupid and offensive.

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Once again, you pull sh*t from out yer arse, dubs…! Kinda gettin’ old…!
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg3fJ0sHfo/T6WCPCHaZjI/AAAAAAAAAOk/kuOtEJZusiU/s1600/Step+Away+from+the+Cliche.jpg

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    Please point when Col. Larry Wilkerson has been wrong, dubs…! I certainly await with bated breath for your refutation(s)…!

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Your own because you’ve been living under some dank rock and yet, coincidentally. in lock-step with the Nuttinyahoo yahoos and the
    Wolfowitz asshat’s New Strategy for Securing the Realm?

    I’ve got a couple bridges for you, pebble.

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Not unlike the criminal apartheid state of Israel…

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    But NATO member Turkey, with its current rat-line wasn’t?

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Saudi Arabia does not claim to be a democracy, dubs. Israel makes a farce of the term.

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    In every post of yours, thus far, you have surely been parroting their defense of the apartheid state of Israel like a committed hasbara troll.

    A Palestinian intifada is to be crushed with white phosphorus bombs if need be, and that’s just fine and dandy. An Al Nusra/FSA attack on the government of Syria, OTOH, is fully justified and calls for supporting the terrorists who represent a dire “national security threat.”

    If you had a functioning brain, leave alone a moral compass, the cognitive-dissonance, which you proudly parade, would surely cause it to self-implode…

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    And yet US policies make sense to you, as you parrot the MSM cooked narratives?

    The bombing of Belgrade while, concurrently, many more Kurds were being repressed and killed by our ally, Turkey?

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    It is absolutely, categorically and by definition is an apartheid state; both within Israel proper and in the occupied, open air, Palestinian Bantustan-like ghettos!

    Your parroting of all MSM and political establishment narratives makes you tiresomely redundant, and exceptionally boring, dubs.

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    I’m trying to connect the oligarchy’s and, hence, the US elite establishment’s malignant foreign policy dots for you, pebbles.

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    That’s the status quo elite consensus. It just makes you gullible and indoctrinated fluffer of the status quo(oligarchy.) IOW, utterly predictable and broken-record boooring.

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    At least you are consistent in your propaganda fueled, sociopathic, authoritarian-submissive, persona. Bleh.

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Let’s test your interpretative prowess.

    The U.S. and Israel Are Preemptively Discrediting The UN’s Report On The Gaza War

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/21/un-gaza-report_n_7628394.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    WASHINGTON — The Israeli and U.S. governments have launched a campaign to preemptively discredit a forthcoming United Nations Human Rights Council report on possible war crimes committed during last summer’s Gaza war.

    The report, scheduled to be released by the end of June, is based on a nearly yearlong investigation into the six-week conflict between Israel and Hamas, the Palestinian political party that controls the Gaza Strip. According to the UN, Israel’s military incursion into Gaza, dubbed “Operation Protective Edge,” left 2,256 Palestinians, including 1,563 civilians, dead. Sixty-six Israeli soldiers and seven civilians in Israel were also killed in the fighting.

    Anticipating that the report would be highly critical of Israel, U.S. State Department spokesman Jeff Rathke reminded reporters Monday that the U.S. opposed the creation of the Gaza investigation. “There is, unfortunately, a long history of anti-Israeli bias in UN resolutions and mechanisms, including at the Human Rights Council,” he said. The U.S. was the only member of the UN Human Rights Council to vote against establishing the commission inquiry last year.

    Global opinion has it that the US is the most dangerous country in the world, BTW. Globally an autocratic bully state, judging by the UN’s vote…

    What most of us seek is consistency from the US government. Saudi Arabia is being supported in her attacks on Yemen’s Maidan rebels, putatively in defense of the deposed president and government.

    If the same principles held, the US would have been willing to support Russia’s bombing of Kiev…instead the exact opposite position was assumed… If you feel comfortable being at the mercy of the oligarchy’s self-interested sociopathy that makes you simply a rootin’ tootin’ and salutin’, reliably authoritarian-submissive , lowly creature, pebbles. There’s no two ways about it.

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    On the deep level of the deep state and MSM’s conventional narrative pimping, but not against it?

    Dub’s, your opinions are the standard MSM fare! You show no original thought, leave alone the ability to think, whatsoever! You are snore-worthy boooring, fer shite’s sake!

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Oh, so you were fast asleep while over 2500 Palestinians were being slaughtered a la Assad, by the 11th most powerful military ? And, BTW, Libya’s is rated 122nd and it was bombed preemptively to save one of AQ’s major sources of jihadi fighters, Benghazi…

    Here’s the point:

    ““There is, unfortunately, a long history of anti-Israeli bias in UN resolutions and mechanisms, including at the Human Rights Council,” he said. The U.S. was the only member of the UN Human Rights Council to vote against establishing the commission inquiry last year.”

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    What is it about your POV being predictable and, hence, yawningly boooring that fails to register wit’cha, pebbles?

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Of course not.

    But war crimes are not restricted to some numerical bar.

    Moreover, the point is that the US blocked the inquiry.

    But if we go by numbers then Russia should be nowhere in US’s sights…or, conversely, the Saudis should be sanctioned to kingdom come for their attack on Yemen if the same democratic/humanitarian principles were to be applied…

    As all the world knows, the United States government is fervently dedicated to advancing the cause of peace throughout the world. Tirelessly, selflessly — and thanklessly — America pursues this noble mission in every corner of the globe: standing shoulder to shoulder with Saudi extremists in slaughtering civilians in Yemen, with al Qaeda and ISIS beheading their way across Syria, with fascist militias in Ukraine. But recently, America’s Nobel Peace Prize-winning president went far beyond these localized acts of lovingkindness and made a beneficent decision that potentially could effect every single person drawing breath on our blue planet.

    Late last month, the Peace Prize Prez (PPPOTUS) “blocked a global document aimed at ridding the world of nuclear weapons,”the Washington Post reports. Obama’s peace-loving action means that “the entire blueprint for global nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation” has been killed dead in its tracks. It will now be five years until the next UN review of the landmark Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty….

    http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/2500-progressive-apocalypse-obama-opens-door-to-nuclear-nightmare.html

  • Southern

    Dumblonsky is not exactly known to back up her assertions with solid and verifiable evidence…still waiting… you blond tainted tool

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Syrian military and police49,106–84,106 killed

    Anti-government combatantsCasualtiesTOTAL72,363–113,363 killed
    It should be noted that at least 145 rebel suicide bombers[51][52][53] and 194 rebel child soldiers[54] have been killed in the conflict.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

    A link to your stats, if you would….

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    “the UN HRC reports are political documents as much as anything else and without reading them I can’t comment in any meaningful fashion”

    You’re continuously drawing on political documents to buttress your ill-formed opinions, funny-bud.

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    *heh* Sorry to rain on your parade, doofus… ! 😉

    Russia mulls strategy to solve Syrian conflict

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    You’re a straight up dickhead, dubs…! No doubt about it…! 8-(

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    *heh* Stupid is as Stupid does, sister…! 😉

    https://youtu.be/D_Komi7wnAw

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    *sigh* Once again, dumassery pulled out yer arse, dubs …! Will you ever get a grip..? 8-(

    Here’s a great how-to… http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1303615444l/11149866.jpg

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    What an asshat…! *gah*

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    Why bother when, invariably, your politics are the politics of the elites, no matter facts, or their absence?

  • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

    And… the Al Qaida affiliated terrorists are responsible for roughly half of the total, yet you make Assad entirely responsible for the combined total…

    So there is a major contradiction between the establishment’s claims that AQ poses a grave “national security danger” on the one hand, and US’s best efforts of creating as much free space for AQ to gather strength by helping to eliminate their fiercest opponents, in Libya, Syria and Yemen.

    From the propaganda manufactured perspective, which you largely espouse, the American political elite’s and their corporate master’s interests – however incongruent, vile, insane, and damaging to all(we all know how to begin to defuse conflicts) – are self-less, honorable and represent the best(lesser evil) of human impulses…

    Standard heel-clicking of bullshit indoctrinated, pliant minds, in short.

  • Southern

    What tool, don’t you need a brain to invent one first?

  • http://firedoglake.com/ CTuttle

    it was fine and dandy. The Serb civilians caught in our cross-hairs would surely debate your your feeble R2P ass-hattery, dubs…! *gah*

  • http://Smilejamaicakrcl.com Bobbylon

    Al Nusra Front – Al Qaeda in Syria – when their soldiers are wounded they are evac’d to Israel for treatment

  • Hugh

    The standard cliché is of the Arab sheik offering either gold or lead, money or a bullet. As the cables show, just because it’s a cliché doesn’t mean it isn’t true. The Saudi monarchy is a ghastly, repressive, corrupt dictatorship whose only real goal is its own survival. It’s been buying PR and influence in this country for decades with that goal in mind. No surprise really that it has been doing the same elsewhere.