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Senate Democrats Fold, Obama To Get Fast-Track On TPP

For a brief shining moment it looked like Senate Democrats might actually stand up for their own constituents and oppose a terrible so-called “trade deal.” But now comes the seemingly inevitable capitulation with Senate Democrats agreeing to give President Obama fast-track authority to advance the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

The cosmetic concessions offered to the weak-kneed Democrats included some empty votes on currency manipulation and an extension of an African trade agreement – in short, nothing. Senate Democrats have set themselves up to get rolled when TPP comes up for a final vote and voting no means scuttling an agreement all their donors will be demanding they approve. Then again, maybe that was the plan all along – offer token opposition to appease the base, cave, then say your hands are tied because the fast-track has made the vote on TPP so binary you have to vote yes.

For all the drama, Senate Democrats may have ended up where they started, with tough trade enforcement provisions that are broadly supported but without a vehicle to get them into law. Lawmakers from both parties say that even if the enforcement and currency bill passes Thursday, they may try to break off some provisions as amendments to the trade promotion bill that Mr. Obama must sign into law.

Same as it ever was.

In any case, the White House continued to crow that TPP is the “The most progressive trade agreement in history,” with pairs well with their claim that they are “The most transparent administration in history.” Neither statements are true, but when has that stopped a talking point from being repeated ad nauseum?

And as the economic statecraft heats up to empower Western corporations in Asia so to does the military planning. The US Marines recently announced a new project to integrate military forces in Asia with the exclusion of China which compliments new expansive US military agreements with China’s neighbors such as Japan.

Can you guess where America’s next war will be?

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Daniel Wright is a longtime blogger and currently writes for Shadowproof. He lives in New Jersey, by choice.

84 Comments

  1. bsbafflesbrains
    May 14, 2015 at 11:07 am

    TPP was always a done deal. Failure of TPP to accomplish what the MOTU want is also a done deal. These greedy Billionaires don’t get along and as the wealth is hoarded the infighting over the remains of civilization will get nasty. The 99% won’t go away, OWS is a bell that can’t be unrung.. Things are getting really bad for most of the 99% in USA.

  2. jo6pac
    May 14, 2015 at 11:23 am

    Is there anyone in the room that thought demodogs won’t roll over?

  3. Bluetoe2
    May 14, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Get used to feeding on the scraps the MOTU throw under the table for the rabble. Anyone have a Grass Soup recipe they’d like to share?

  4. Bluetoe2
    May 14, 2015 at 11:26 am

    And yet it would seem a majority of the 99% are more concerned with the fate of Tom Brady than the fate of their own families and nation. The “public” has been dumbed down enough where the plutocrats now have free reign.

  5. Alice X
    May 14, 2015 at 11:47 am

    I said the other day, the CorporaDems™ would do a Kabuki dance and then they would say they tweaked the TPP and it was good to go.

    Yves had this link up today, from the Spectator, if you want to get ahead, read this and get ready (to puke):

    Posh, educated and energetic: meet the servants of the super-rich

    London’s greatest growth industry is catering to foreign plutocrats — and someone sent us its trade directory

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9527222/posh-educated-and-energetic-meet-the-servants-of-the-super-rich/

  6. Madame LaFarge
    May 14, 2015 at 11:48 am

    Our Hope and Change president who was chosen for all the qualities he has that will keep those most likely to riot subdued.
    Must see: American Empire: An Act of Colelctive Madness. Where we came from, and where they are going.

  7. jawbone3
    May 14, 2015 at 11:51 am

    Damn those Corporatist Dems to hell.

    Now, the real question is WHAT DO WE DO TO TRY TO SAVE OURSELVES??????

    BTW. how many of the possible signatories need to sign on to this abomination before it goes into its law and sovereignty breaking effect? How soon can Big Global Corporations begin to rape and pillage at will?

  8. May 14, 2015 at 11:55 am

    Stone soup, actually.

  9. Alice X
    May 14, 2015 at 11:56 am

    American Empire: An Act of Collective Madness

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2244838/

    Paul Jay with Chris Hedges:

    The Pathology of the Rich – Chris Hedges on Reality Asserts Itself

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6unS2JF8TA

  10. May 14, 2015 at 11:58 am

    Heh. I’m putting my faith in the House Tea Partiers…

  11. May 14, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Not necessarily true. But the MSM can create such an impression.

  12. marym
    May 14, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Probably the same people who told us the ACA was the first step to single payer.

  13. Sloopydrew
    May 14, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    What is motu?

  14. Alice X
    May 14, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    Masters of the Universe.

  15. Sloopydrew
    May 14, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    My brother. I reminded him they initially voted against the bailouts before voting for them. He still thought the dems would stand firm. I think he still thin thinks it’s the 1930s.

  16. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    The public has never been any sharper than a busted brick, IMHO.

  17. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm
  18. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    “Masters of the Universe.” Conditioning starts at an earlier age than most folks think….

    .

  19. Al
    May 14, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    I have the answer. If we would just vote for the right politicians, we can fix this. It’s a proven fact.
    I saw it on Daily Kos. So I think this country needs a full blown 18 month presidential election race of the brightest and bravest citizens we can muster. Then let the billionaires decide which ones to give the most money to so he or she can use the money to bullshit the American people on TV, print and in person.
    Then have Pete Seeger songs played while Bill and HIllary Clinton dance around the obelisk on the National Mall after she’s elected. It’s perfect for the American people.

  20. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 1:19 pm

    Braahahahaha

  21. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    “”Then have Pete Seeger songs played while Bill and HIllary Clinton dance around the obelisk on the National Mall after she’s elected.”

    Ah Yes…. Corporatists on one side of the “corporate coin” can hijack a Pete Seeger song as some skyjacked? I’m sure the corporatism on the other side of the “corporate coin,” would gleefully sing along, in the sing-a-long.

    I’ll skip this like a rally in Germany, years ago…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaWl2lA7968.

    Where is the “Gong!”

  22. Bluedot
    May 14, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    Obama met with his ten most favorite pro-trade dems yesterday and they all got high fives. And then it passed. Guess they figure they can add things on later — not. Anyway, where does this leave Warren, pariah or saint? Obama thinks she is simply an obstructionist, I suppose. Nice of him that way.

  23. May 14, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    Since I got no hammer, can’t hammer in the morning…

    But I’ve got a vote which I can withhold, and a guillotine if the message is ignored.

  24. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    “Obama thinks she is simply an obstructionist, I suppose. Nice of him that way.”

    Obstruction starts with secrecy. He has got it ass-backwards. Hope, Change and Lame Ducks…. This is why money is speech. To preclude debate while advancing the interests of the few. Seems rather undemocratic. Some might consider this a threat to American Republicanism? I’m sure much of the discussion around 1857 was done in secret.

    Hell, in 1857 a large percentage of the 99% below a certain line could not read, or write, while a 1% benefited from this sad reality. No need for secrecy on that pitched pitch. Now our President has two obstructionists?

    Speaking of pitched pitches? .56 cents per hour rate of pay in Vietnam?
    We should be burning our “Nikes,” in protest! Instead some in America choose to look like idiots burning Korans or Einstein’s publications in Germany, years ago…….

    Cliff Notes please?

  25. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    The bad thing is that the right does not realize the Obama is just another political prick and skin color has nothing to do with it.

  26. marym
    May 14, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    They aren’t planning to add things on later. The bill can’t be amended, and the TPP has no expiration date, and can only be changed if all signatories agree.

  27. May 14, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Fast Track Authority has a 6 year lifespan.

  28. Bluedot
    May 14, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    Thank goodness for small favors.

  29. May 14, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    Carson is even-Steven with Jeb. Skin color seems to be more of a liberal media creation than reality, especially since the libs have done next to nothing, or worse, against institutionalizing racism.

  30. marym
    May 14, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    That’s only the authority for the President to negotiate deals that Congress can’t amend. Once Congress votes the deal into law, the deal itself doesn’t expire.

  31. May 14, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    I wasn’t implying anything but. Next up TTIP.

  32. Pluto
    May 14, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    Don’t forget, the potential corporate vassal states still have to sign away their sovereignty as parties to the TPP.

    This is just about the US vote. I expect a flock of Black Swans to land before this comes to pass. Game changers.

  33. sandbun
    May 14, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Do we know who flipped?

  34. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    It is all a big “Tobacco Commercial,” and some are still puffing the camel’s dung! Now we have Trogen Ribbed Condom commercials and all sorts of pills for male enhancement along with Energy Today Adz…

    Cough! Cough! Clear my throat…..

    They should all move to Colorado and eat “gummie bears” with a mind enhancing substance mixed in, Then maybe they can get a look outside the box without going blind, as in masturbation causes, “blindness?”

    No wonder we are so blind as a society!

  35. jo6pac
    May 14, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    I haven’t and only Japan has made any noise about tpp. Then again Abe being of the Japanese war/billionaire class he’ll sign on. Abe yesterday did tell a little secret about the bill, workers will be able to move country to country in search off work lowering the pay as they go. I would think this would upset teabaggers, new foreigners able to get into Amerika but they will stand down and do as they are told by kcoks brothers.
    It one of the few time I’m glad I’m old;)
    Thanks DSW and more fun as congresscritters go all theater then rollover.

  36. Canyon2
    May 14, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    Yes you did say that Alice X and while I hoped you were wrong in that assessment you turned out to be dead right about it.
    Never, ever place your faith in the D’s doing the right thing as long as they have to please their corporate sponsors.

  37. Bluetoe2
    May 14, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    Read Chris Hedges and Karl Marx.

  38. Bluetoe2
    May 14, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    and where are the “people”, oh excuse me, the “consumers” marching in the streets? The cattle are willingly led to the slaughter.

  39. bsbafflesbrains
    May 14, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    BU__SH__LL IT
    Baffles Brains

  40. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 4:55 pm
  41. May 14, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    Same answer. For the past 6 years the consumer’s been told that things are getting better. Propaganda is a powerful tool of the powerful and their courtiers.

  42. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 5:01 pm
  43. ThingsComeUndone
    May 14, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    If we are right about this trade deal being a bad idea we should expect this trade deal to cost Americans jobs and hurt our economy. How long before this happens is the question.

  44. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    “Can you guess where America’s next war will be?”

    Do modern mercantile corporate interests now called Globalism, determine the locations of conflicts? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartered_company

    Funny how a listing of USA corporations is absent? Seems that wherever there is the desire to do business military force is involved? I guess we forget the King’s Army! Better Yet? Banana Republics!

  45. ThingsComeUndone
    May 14, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    “The US Marines recently announced a new project to integrate military forces in Asia with the exclusion of China which compliments new expansive US military agreements with China’s neighbors such as Japan.

    Can you guess where America’s next war will be?”

    First if China does not keep buying our debt then who could not will who else has that kind of tall cash? I thought the current party in power in Taiwan was pro China? China has the only ballastic anti ship missiles in the world one can sink an aircraft carrier. To be fair I’ve read speculation that China does not have the tech to track a target over the horizon so these missiles won’t work. I think those rumors are wishful thinking. Despite all this I do think we want a war with China I never bet against Stupid in politics and war.

  46. ThingsComeUndone
    May 14, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    When government gets too powerful and fears no enemies foreign or domestic then their is no checks on the power of that government and the rich decide they must own such a government precislely because government can make trade deals that benefit the rich like this despite the desire of the people or the number of people who will suffer.

  47. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    They will start a war and that issue will be lost. Wall Street always gets its returns on “MIC Investments.” They got all the money, and the “law!”

    Look what happened in the time after 911? Neocons are looking to reinvent Rosie the Riveter and call it progress in a fashion similar to what Al was talking about the Pete Seeger song, and corporatist, Clinton!

    I do not trust any politician from either party. It is not in my self- interest at all!
    The actions are loader than their words, all the time.

  48. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    It’s not just the government or the 1%, but the next 5 to 10% that make out like bandits from the government and the 1% and genuflect to them. The rich bourgeois that live in their little bubbles and vote in these ass holes and that the government protects at all costs.

  49. Alice X
    May 14, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    And Mikhail Bakunin.

  50. Austin Konrad
    May 14, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    Nothing we didn’t already know, block the vote, scare up some Wall Street bribe money and you’re good to go.

  51. May 14, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    And Prince Kropotkin.

  52. Shutter
    May 14, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    Inch by inch they crept up on us and all we did was stare at the computer screen and bitch.

  53. JamesJoyce
    May 14, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    “… then their is no checks on the power of that government and the rich decide they must own such a government precisely because government can make trade deals that benefit the rich like this despite the desire of the people or the number of people who will suffer.”

    The slavocracy initiated violence precisely because they could not own the government anymore. Sufficient force existed in the form of “Radical Republicans” who did not “kow tow” to slave power, like Taney and the old boyz. Instead they decide to secede from the union. Today the interests just start wars and enjoy operating in the “void of law,” created by war, for profit. People suffer all the time.. Nuns and priest included!

    This it what money buys. .56 cent an hour labor, in Vietnam.

    So much for that resolution in 1964 I guess it was worth it for all those that made tons of money, while people millions died and suffered, including our own, to this very day!

    My neighbor, was walking with crutches for the first time in a long time the other day. He has been confined to a wheelchair for some time. The VA has done him good. Tough SOB! A Vietnam Vet!

    Exposure cases can take years to manifest! Got him a few weeks before he was set to retire….

    He deserves a shout out. I’m giving it!! “EDDIE!!!!!”

  54. metamars
    May 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    That’s my general impression, also, though note that, at least at nakedcapitalism.com, readers are being encouraged to contact their Congress critters, which could at least be considered a minimum effort. Unfortunately, FDL doesn’t rise to even this minimal level of attempted engagement of its readership. (Not that I’ve noticed, anyway.)

    As far as the action-embracing anti-TPP “activists” go, while their formation of a coalition is something we can be grateful for, nonetheless they seem functionally incapable of grasping what opportunities to educate the public about the issue they’ve had, and basically pissed away.

    See my “video survey” re TPP awareness here:

    Why I’m Sure the Pew Research Poll re: TPP Approval in the US is a Fraudulent POS – http://tinyurl.com/pq23n7o

  55. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Why do you think they call it the Pee Eue poll.

  56. wagonjack
    May 14, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Did we ever doubt the outcome? Dims have to pretend to put up a fight, but when it comes to the ass-kicking fight, they are always missing in action!

  57. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    Oh not Wagonjck. When it comes to ass-kissing the dims are right there with their lips puckered and ready to kiss.

  58. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    Oh I’m sure every lawyer, doctor, engineer, contractor, administrator, banker, CEO, accountant and other over paid rich bourgeois SOB thinks the TPP is great. Sitting in their 6 million dollar + gated community bubble.

  59. May 14, 2015 at 10:24 pm

    Hey meta,

    Disqus gives you the tool to eliminate undesired “followers.” Doing the wholesale bit isolates you and prevents loose “community building.”

  60. metamars
    May 14, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    And I’m sure that you don’t know what you’re talking about. While I didn’t solidly establish, in a statistical sense, just how completely ignorant Americans are of TPP, what I found is completely consistent with the “massive ignorance” hypothesis. (Tonight I spoke with 2 IT professionals; 1 never heard of the TPP, the other thinks he may have heard of it, but hasn’t a clue what it might be.).
    If you actually cared about what the facts of the matter are, then I think you’d have to support real, honest polling; and short of that, “activist” organizations could have done informal video polling, and aggregated results (using unedited video). The AFL-CIO has 12 million members. If they had video-interviewed 30 people each, that’d be near 80% of the population (ignoring redundancies).

    I don’t think you actually do care, any more than the AFL-CIO leadership cares.

    Your fantasies about professionals are mostly just that. E.g., a few years ago, I had a law student for a roomate, and he told me that he and most of his fellow students weren’t expecting to get jobs as lawyers. Furthermore, even long-time lawyers were losing their jobs – a lot of legal research work is now outsourced.

    Those professionals who are doing OK financially, and foolishly ignore the TPP tempest, may be competing with you in soup kitchen lines before all the “creative destruction” of the TPP uber capitalism works its way through the system.

    That may give you a smug sense of satisfaction, but if you’re hungry for soup, and the former lawyer gets the last bowl, ahead of you, your satisfaction may not last too long.

  61. bsbafflesbrains
    May 14, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    It is in fact NOT getting better. Stock market hasn’t crashed so the elite and their 401k flush minions are feeling good right now. It can’t last because robbing peter to pay paul is a short term fix.

  62. May 14, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    As long as their patrons at the FED can print fiat it can last, and last, for them. It’s when the peeps finally notice that their economy has been sacrificed on the altar of the 1%’s Casino, that the entire, neoliberal, house of cards will come down burning and crashing…

  63. Roman Berry
    May 14, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    Or maybe he just is still under the illusion that this Democratic Party has anything to do with the Democratic Party of the New Deal other than the sharing of the party name…

  64. Chris Maukonen
    May 14, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    Except I am a retired IT professional of 30+ years and the ignorance you speak of is willing on most of their parts. When ever I have spoken to anyone in the field or any other high paid fields what I get is “Oh I don’t know about this” and drops the subject like a lead weight. They don’t know and do not want to know. They are very OK with their ignorance on most of these subjects. And no, I will not gut them any slack what so ever.

  65. metamars
    May 14, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. Please explain.

  66. May 15, 2015 at 12:01 am

    That your account spells “private,” which excludes anyone’s ability to follow (and chime in) your comments.

  67. mulp
    May 15, 2015 at 12:08 am

    “TPP was always a done deal….These greedy Billionaires …”

    Yes, as you define TPP it was a done deal 50 years ago and it has been killing jobs in the US ever since it was ratified by Congress half a century ago.

    But what I want to know is why you object to the US exporting goods and services to the rest of the world?? You do not want to need to work for pay to afford the imports you want?

    Why do you want to prevent a reversal of the loss of millions of jobs and closing of US factories?

    For example, do you ant Tesla Motors to not only be unable to export because of trade barriers, but to have its cars counterfeited in China and then sold in the US made by Chinese workers because you object to trademark protection, patents, copyrights because they violate the sovereignty of other nations?

  68. mulp
    May 15, 2015 at 12:32 am

    They are too busy buying imports and saying “yuck, that product made in the USA is way too expensive, they need to move the factory to China to get the price down where I will buy it, but no way will I wait a week to save the cash when I can buy two imports, one today and a different color next week.”

  69. mulp
    May 15, 2015 at 12:56 am

    Let’s make all votes by the voters public because secret ballots are corrupt. How else can you know who is buying your neighbor’s and other family member’s votes? After all, every worker will be voting for corporate power so they will get paid.

  70. mulp
    May 15, 2015 at 12:58 am

    Which imports are made by American workers? When everything is already imported, how can anyone lose a job to imports?

  71. mulp
    May 15, 2015 at 1:13 am

    What amazes me is how stupid progressives are!

    We do not like the current trade agreements because we are forced by our greed to buy cheap imports and every time we buy imports we kill jobs in America!

    We oppose all changes to trade deals because they just make us buy imports out of greed and we do not like to have American workers lose their jobs, and Obama is proposing to put Americans to work making exports which will be bought by citizens of other nations which will kill jobs in those nations, and we object to them losing jobs. Plus imports will become more expensive and wewant cheaper imports because we are greedy.

    Seriously, you can not beat something with nothing, and you can’t change things by doing absolutely nothing.

    Trade deals are multilateral which means you can not dictate to the other nations what the trade terms are unless you let them dictate your laws. But once a trade deal is made, you can not be forced to buy imports. But American workers spit on union workers and bought imports and destroyed the unions who ran ads begging Americans to buy only Union Label and buy only Made in USA goods.

    But American consumers and nearly all were workers said “screw you union worker”, “screw you American worker” and they looked for Make in Japan and bought it.

  72. May 15, 2015 at 2:27 am

    You’re beating a dead horse with dead arguments, mulp. Of the 29 chapters – none promising to increase jobs in the US other than at near-slave wages – only 5 are dealing with “traditional” trade. The rest appear to amount to a corporate and financial coup d’etat, undermining national, and state sovereignty – democracy, in short.

    Your singleminded refusal to get informed, makes you one tired and tiresome, steadfastly uninformed, bloke.

  73. metamars
    May 15, 2015 at 4:52 am

    I think a “preferred ignorance” is true about many things, such as all the junk that gets put into food, water pollution (including nano-particles and pharmaceuticals). From what I heard Gary Null say (based on web traffic), most Americans don’t want to even know what effects depleted uranium poisoning has had on Iraqis.

    With TPP, though, there was a news blackout in the main stream media (msnbc was a rare exception). The widespread ignorance was clearly inflicted. And my beef is more with incompetent activists, who (it seems) have a preferred ignorance of their own- viz., how much of the public even knows about what they claim is a supremely important issue. I don’t give THEM a pass on failing to FORCE TPP memes into the public consciousness.

    Now, if they had done a respectable job, would they have failed due to Americans largely having a preferred ignorance? You apparently believe that, but I sure don’t. Americans can be very myopic and selfish re civic matters, but it’s well known that they vote their pocketbooks. If they actually knew about how TPP will devastate their economic prospects, they surely would care, even if for what could be considered selfish reasons.

    A quick google yields a 2008 poll that shows most americans believe NAFTA has had a negative effect on the economy (http://www.gallup.com/poll/113200/opinion-briefing-north-american-free-trade-agreement.aspx) . And you would have us believe that most Americans (or American professionals) wouldn’t care about “NAFTA on steroids”?

    Not a chance!

  74. metamars
    May 15, 2015 at 5:03 am

    Jobs in the service sector are still being exported Yesterday, I met a guy who actually knows people that work in manufacturing (though “small scale”; I don’t know anybody that works in manufacturing, ignoring the owners of pita bread factory in Paterson, NJ.)

    TPP will allow for the “free flow of workers”, like in the EU. Thus, I expect the US to get inundated with workers who will work for 50 cents on the dollar on the low end (e.g., $3.15/hr and 84 hours per week), and 30 cents and lower on the dollar for formerly high paid jobs.

    I anticipated massive insourcing BEFORE I heard it claimed by Dick Morris, and confirmed by Japanese PM Abe. That’s another beef I have with the “activists”, who have only mentioned increase outsourcing, which, 20 years after NAFTA, can hardly be devastating for the reason you indicate (i.e., not much manufacturing left to outsource). See my diary
    Japan’s PM Confirms TPP => “unrestricted immigration”, at http://correntewire.com/japans_pm_confirms_tpp_unrestricted_immigration

  75. JamesJoyce
    May 15, 2015 at 7:00 am

    “If they actually knew about how TPP will devastate their economic prospects, they surely would care, even if for what could be considered selfish reasons.”

    Sounds like a tobacco commercial. Long term effects…..
    The Marboromen all died from cancer as do Americans.

    Meanwhile, we are told all the benefits of TPP, like a tobacco commercial without knowing its long term negative effects. I guess we can say NAFTA worked well after the economic collapse and the loss of how much money???

    America is being conned, again!

  76. marym
    May 15, 2015 at 10:02 am

    Please stop calling people stupid while posting comments that rarely speak to the issues at hand. The issues of people disparaging unions and looking for cheaper imports are a problem for which we all bear some responsibility, but they don’t exist in a vacuum – union busting politics, intimidation and violence, propaganda, and captured media, played a part. The concerted effort to divide us in our interests continues today, in violent and hateful form, driven by an ever more powerful and unified economic and political establishment, regardless of whether some “progressives” are approaching issues in an effective way. However, as numerous people have pointed out, the TPP is not only about anti-worker trade polices but about corporate empowerment and immunity. Say something about the details known about this trade agreement, or the actual results for workers of past trade agreements – not just generalities about trade that don’t connect to what we see in the world. Tell us specifically why an agreement negotiated by corporations and corporate lobbyists will be a good deal for anyone but them, and how that’s worked out so far and why we should believe you or the people you defend.

  77. Fedupin10
    May 15, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    Don’t count on it. The Japanese showed the rest of them the US is desperate to get this done. They will all get their payoff from Obama before relinquishing their sovereignty, but relinquish they will.

  78. Fedupin10
    May 15, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    Yeah, it was always going to happen. Just some Kabuki to make it all go down. You could tell by what the Dems were complaining about; currency manipulation and other trade deals, not the fact the the heart of TPP is about relinquishing sovereignty to corporate tribunals.

  79. PCM
    May 15, 2015 at 9:18 pm

    How apropos. I’d been grousing about crappy shop-prepared smoothies recently and just a couple of days ago a friend called me up to invite me over for fresh, homemade smoothies courtesy of his fancy new blender. I asked him what kind of ingredients he had on hand and it turned to be, “Uh … parsley?” So I told him the story of Little Bear and the Birthday Soup (Stone Soup) that I remembered from childhood and we both had a good chuckle.

  80. PCM
    May 15, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    I never expected Congress not to sell us out to their corporate masters. The only real question for me was how they would determine which congresscritters get to be a symbolic “no” vote. When they sold us out to Big Health, there was no room at all in the Democratic Party for symbolic no votes. Even the pseudo-leftiest of the pseudo-lefties in the CPC had to stop posing and show their true colors. But if the TPP does go through, there’s a chance that the reaction from organized labor and environmentalists, at least, will make the Battle in Seattle look like a playground scuffle. That’s probably why Congress and the Administration have been so gung-ho about providing military matériel, intelligence capabilities, training, and coordination to domestic police forces. It wasn’t to fight “terrorists”; it was to fight us.

  81. mulp
    May 16, 2015 at 2:22 am

    The 99% are simply greedy and will just soon pay an Asian slave for something to save $1 than to pay for their neighbor’s factory job for that extra $1. Of course, he’ll spend $10 drinking with his neighbor waiting to be evicted, bitching about those greedy US factory owners who close because Chinese corporations are shipping the same product into the US using a logo that looks almost identical to that of the US factory, Why won’t the factory owner simply pay workers to make things that are shipped to the landfills because Americans prefer Made in China??

  82. mulp
    May 16, 2015 at 2:24 am

    US consumers will chase a $1 savings on an import into unemployment.

  83. mulp
    May 16, 2015 at 2:38 am

    So, you think that the status quo is better than being able to export more goods?

    Are you just so anti-corporation that you would prefer that hundreds of thousands of US workers be unemployed to prevent US corporations making a profit selling US trademarks goods protected by US patents in Asian nations forcing a violation of those Asian nation’s sovereignty to enforce international patent and copyright law.

  84. May 16, 2015 at 3:35 am

    “So, you think that the status quo is better than being able to export more goods?”

    Do you always start with false assumptions?

    You seem to identify the welfare of the working class with the corporate “job creators, and Obama’s “savvy businessmen” all the while ignoring the reality of the catastrophically failing Main Street economy, the trends in wealth distribution, 40 years of stagnant, relative to inflation and productivity, wages; quality and security of jobs, falling living standards, increase in poverty and a general, precipitous drop of the US in rankings on all relevant indices within the OECD bloc.

    You talk of US corporations, but most of the trade pacts benefit rentier capitalists and “multinational” corporate status protected national corporations subsidized by taxpayers and legislation to suck both labor and the consumer dry; hallowing out the national economy. They(CEOS) are in it for themselves first, then for stockholders; labor is a cost to be exploited and cut.

    There are documentable reasons why the US governance has been, in a recent and exhaustive study, defined as an oligarchy. Nothing new, even in American history.

    ” I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country….corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow , and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.” attributed to Abraham Lincoln but unverified

    “Big business is not dangerous because it is big, but because its bigness is an unwholesome inflation created by privileges and exemptions which it ought not to enjoy.” Woodrow Wilson

    “The citizens of the Untied States must control the mighty commercial forces which they themselves called into being.” Theodore Roosevelt.

    Here some reading your edification:

    Entitlements Are Bankrupting America. But the Rich Keep Taking Them.http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/04/27/entitlements-are-bankrupting-america-but-the-rich-keep-taking-them/

    The shocking numbers behind corporate welfarehttp://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/2/corporate-welfaresubsidiesboeingalcoa.html

    Uncle Sams Favorite Corporations.(pdf)http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/sites/default/files/docs/pdf/UncleSamsFavoriteCorporations.pdf

    Subsidy Tracker 3.0http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/subsidy-tracker

    and,

    Chomsky “Multi National Corporations Don’t Exist!”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhPR4_EWe9U