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7 and 9 year Old Tortured by the CIA to Make Them Tell Where Their Father was Hiding

Two points get left off of posts that criticize torture.

There is silent debate in this country between those who silently claim torture is a necessary evil, and those who oppose it. Those who oppose torture must answer the other side if we are to get anywhere.

2. There are no life stories, that I know of, of people whose lives were ruined by being a suspect.

The follow is a discussion of A 7 and 9 year old tortured by the CIA in order to make them tell where their father was hiding.
Details concerning a number of real people in the above link.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed claimed his 7 & 9-year old children were tortured into telling the US government his whereabouts. Recently detailed revelations came out about torture revealed by Obama and added to by the Red Cross, of US detainees being terrorized by the use of fake poison insects put on the victim’s body, matching Khalid’s accusation.

The government is wasting time with years of isolation and sleep deprecation, destroying people’s lives. If the US decides to use torture, and was open about it, the victims would be better off. If a US soldier in the field comes across a witness and demanded to know where the soldiers were hiding, grabbed the victim by the nuts and said talk, and when he said something, the US GI would squeeze harder and say you lie or tell me more, the victim would be better off than spending years in isolation and sleep deprivation.

The US never got anywhere torturing the baddest of the bad, look at Moussaoui’s proud behavior, showing no harm for years of torture, unless he avoided torture by constantly revealing garbage, as he all during his trial blamed his Jewish lawyer for his woos.

In the TV drama "24 hours" Jack Bouer makes life miserable for the badest of the bad.

In a real life version, someone would reveal a plan to sneak an A bomb into a US city, but refuse too many details so al Qaeda wouldn’t find out and torture his kids. So Bouer, by remote contrail TV, has someone torture his kids. The witness talks, and the city is saved, but from then on no more witnesses coming forward, many people fearing to even use the anonymous tip program.

We got to join the real debate in this country over torture which is with fantasy TV,

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I'm retired in Philadelphia. Non religious but there seems to be a life force that I see as more personal than is usually expressed.

I was raised a Quaker (common with Christian Jewish intermarriage back them) But my father was a total pacifist and during World War II, at the time that being so was difficult.

Upbringing included father trying not to get physical, yet still defend us kids from my harsh stepmother until she got her citizenship papers, after which they could get divorced. Been involved in peace issues since the anti-fallout shelter protests through Vietnam and Iraq.

I wrote "Greedy Little Squirrels and Lifeboat ethics,” 1977, when the Moonies were coming to America and got heavily harassed by them. I also think bin Laden is extremely dangerous like the leader of a barroom brawl, who has been manipulating this country into using the US to get Muslims angry enough to join his suicidal permanent war group. Before 9/11 young Muslims rebelled by wearing by covering their hair a little less than expected and at least winking at each other, now he changed rebellion into being militancy. The Northern Alliance would have been legitimately in charge long ago had he not baited the US into entering Afghanistan.

Obama is making a mistake in my mind with how to stop bin Laden’s dream of permanent war in a divided world but less of a mistake than most anyone else would. If due to currency collapses from out ever more expensive weapons the US stops fighting al Qaeda, then other counties will. If it ends up being Iran, the Sunni Shiite divide will be enormous. Al Qaeda is already convinced that the atheist China is a serious enemy, and the Russians have fought for brutally and inadvertently convinced far more Muslims than the US did that they considered Islam itself to be the enemy.

I never stopped supporting Jimmy Carter when everyone turned on him and I support Obama as well, but think he will have to use a lot more persuasion and less force if they aren’t going to succeed at bankrupting us. However Obama has tried less force and al Qaeda has started to respond in kind trying to limit the victim’s in the way of their primary attacks.
Back up reference to above link,

Richard Kane (Philadelphia)
(More information if you google RichardKanePA