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Senate Armed Services Torture Hearing, Four (Haynes)

[Editor’s note: Emptywheel is liveblogging the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on torture today, which you can watch live on CSPAN3 here. Check her earlier posts for details and the hearing agenda. — dn]

Haynes: How our country deals with this unprecedented threat. This is as it should be. The end of this can only come with history’s judgment of how our Administration served in protecting America. We know that America’s enemies are relentless. I look forward to watching our nation’s leaders to advancing our nation’s security and freedom.

[Alright, Levin, just like you did to Ickes.]

Levin: In July 2002, Shiffrin, contacted JPRA asked about SERE techniques. Did you ask him to obtain info on SERE.

Haynes: Six years ago. Memory not perfect. What I remember is a govt wide concern about poss of another terrorist attack. A widespread belief that the people captured in war on terror. [filibuster filibuster 9/11 9/11 9/11] As Chief legal officer I was interested and concerned. I inquired generally about where sources of expertise might be. Shiffrin would have been the person I asked for that kind of info.

Levin: Specifically about SERE.

Haynes Late summer, did get info (refreshed memory form doct).

Levin: Don’t remember about SERE.

Haynes: Not specifically.

Levin: Addington, Gonzales, Yoo, Philbin, and Rizzo. Did this request to Shiffrin come from that group?

Haynes: Six years ago. a long time. I had ten meetings a day. I met with many groups. I met with many lawyers. To key into one particular meeting.

[Does this remind anyone of Scooter Libby’s defense?]

Levin I wasn’t asking that. Do you remember if it came from that group?

Haynes: No sir.

Levin: Tab 2. Do you remember seeing this memo at the time?

Haynes: Not at the time, But I’ve seen it before, and I’ve seen it a long time ago.

Levin: Tab 3. Did you see that? Do you remember whether you saw it?

Haynes: I don’t remember when I saw this.

Levin: Another attachment to Baumgartner’s memo. Tab 4. Did you obtain info from Shiffrin on SERE training. Did you see Egrisseg’s memo?

Haynes: Yes.

Levin: Do you remember whether you saw this memo?

Haynes: I don’t remember when I saw this?

Levin: what would you have done when you got it? Do you remember doing something with it?

Haynes I don’t remember doing something with this. What I recall was the environment I described earlier. I can’t remember what prompted my concern. There may have been some other catalyst.

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Senate Armed Services Torture Hearing, Four (Haynes)

Haynes: How our country deals with this unprecedented threat. This is as it should be. The end of this can only come with history’s judgment of how our Administration served in protecting America. We know that America’s enemies are relentless. I look forward to watching our nation’s leaders to advancing our nation’s security and freedom.

[Alright, Levin, just like you did to Ickes.]

Levin: In July 2002, Shiffrin, contacted JPRA asked about SERE techniques. Did you ask him to obtain info on SERE.

Haynes: Six years ago. Memory not perfect. What I remember is a govt wide concern about poss of another terrorist attack. A widespread belief that the people captured in war on terror. [filibuster filibuster 9/11 9/11 9/11] As Chief legal officer I was interested and concerned. I inquired generally about where sources of expertise might be. Shiffrin would have been the person I asked for that kind of info.

Levin: Specifically about SERE.

Haynes Late summer, did get info (refreshed memory form doct).

Levin: Don’t remember about SERE.

Haynes: Not specifically.

Levin: Addington, Gonzales, Yoo, Philbin, and Rizzo. Did this request to Shiffrin come from that group?

Haynes: Six years ago. a long time. I had ten meetings a day. I met with many groups. I met with many lawyers. To key into one particular meeting.

[Does this remind anyone of Scooter Libby’s defense?]

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